Amy Devers

We’re continuing to revisit our top episodes of the last ten years. Up this week is @bernhardtdesign ’s President and Creative Director Jerry Helling. Jerry Helling, grew up on a ranch in a remote town with 11 people in his graduating class before venturing to USC and a potential career in Hollywood. A personal epiphany combined with serendipity rerouted him into the furniture business, resulting in a long and distinguished career as a keen mentor of talent, a champion of originality, a risk-taking, needle-moving industry voice, and a major benefactor of international design. Plus, he’s really nice! Since his episode was released, Jerry and the Bernhardt Design team continue to collaborate and create exceptional works. This year marks Bernhardt Design’s 23rd and final year sponsoring its interdisciplinary design studio with @ArtCenteredu , a partnership that has been especially meaningful to the company over the years. It also marks 10 years of collaboration with @terrycrews , who will be launching another product with Bernhardt Design at @neocon_shows , and to be previewed at @icff_official this year. Listen back to this conversation with @amydevers whenever you get your podcasts!

We're back for another nostalgic spin through Clever's 10-year scrapbook and reliving some of our favorite conversations with groundbreaking luminaries. Up this week, the pioneering biodesigner @natsaiaudrey :sparkles: The Quiet Rebellion of Biodesigner Natsai Audrey Chieza Natsai is a biodesigner who continues to blend together her architecture training, love of fashion, and commitment to a new model of bioeconomy since she was on the podcast. She was named a 2026 Design Luminary by the @worlddesignorg for her revolutionary work leading @faberfutures and @normal_phenomena_of_life . Catch back up on where her journey began in Natsai's conversation with @amydevers at link in bio or whenever you get your podcasts!

Clever is turning TEN this year! Can you believe it? So we're taking a nostalgic spin through the scrapbook and reliving some of our favorite conversations with groundbreaking luminaries. And, of course our guests have continued to move mountains since we talked, so we’ve checked in with them to share some of what they’ve been up to since! Up first, Episode 1: Joe Doucet Joe is a NY-based multidisciplinary designer and since we originally chatted with him, he's been up to a ton! He won the @cooperhewitt National Design Award, started several new ventures focused around the intersection of Design, Innovation and sustainability, including Airiva, a wind turbine wall he developed! Plus, he developed a climate responsive paint! And, right now he's working on a sound system in collaboration with AI called Transmissions, which you can go check out starting May 15th at @Heft_Gallery NYC. Listen to this delightful blast from the past with @amydevers , @joedoucet_ and @jaimederringer at link in bio or whenever you get your podcasts! Photo 2: Joe Doucet Volume Speakers Photo 3: Joe Doucet Oublier Bench Photo 4: AIRCO DOUCET MARS HELEMET Photo 5: Climate Responsive Paint Photo 6: Infinite, Updated Frame 4K

NEW episode out now! Ep. 237: Curator Alyssa Velazquez on Craft-itarianism: Community Action Through Craft 💥 @velazquezalyssa grew up with theater as her first form of community—a foundation that continues to shape her curatorial work. Her current exhibition at @centerforcraft , Craft-itarianism: Community Action Through Craft, explores how craft can add joy, distribute resources, and foster community among at-risk and marginalized people. Velazquez brings a unique interdisciplinary approach to her curatorial practice at @carnegiemuseumofart , pulling from past work in art preservation, acting, and scenic design. Alyssa teaches us that the act of making can form resource generation within communities that need life-affirming support, and that craft methodologies—from job training to art therapy to social enterprise—can be applied to create meaningful social change. Thanks so much to Wix Studio for supporting Clever! @wixstudio is a platform built for all web creators to design, develop, and manage exceptional web projects at scale. Listen now at link in bio or on your fav podcast app!

Did you miss @juliawatsondesign 's episode all about applying indigenous knowledge to cliamte-adaptive design? Now's your chance for a listen! Julia sat down with @amydevers to talk about her work as a landscape architect, author, and educator. She has dedicated her career to exploring traditional knowledge systems and their application to contemporary design challenges like extreme weather, waste management, and population growth. At the heart of Watson's work is a profound respect for indigenous knowledge systems and a commitment to applying Traditional Ecological Knowledge (TEK) to climate-adaptive design. You can check out her latest book, Lo--TEK Water, out now! Listen to this fascinating conversation wherever you get your podcasts!

Studio O's @lizogbu is a designer, spatial justice activist, and community grief worker whose work sits at the unique intersection of community-centered research; dynamic forms of engagement and prototyping; equitable architecture and planning strategies; place-based grieving and repair frameworks; and tools to build participatory power and community-centered systems. Her commitment to this work is unflagging, rigorous, and worth a listen, if you missed this conversation with @amydevers the first time. We loved it so much, we're resharing it on our feed today -- listen now wherever you get your podcasts.

@the_assembly_house 's Dennis Maher shares with @amydevers why we need spaces for our imagination -- to stay hopeful, to deal with the day-to-day realities, and to find delight in space and with one another. Listen to their entire conversation wherever you get your podcasts! ▶

Looking to escape into an architectural dreamworld? Lucky for you we have a conversation with Dennis Maher to guide you there! Artist and designer Dennis Maher has spent decades exploring the life cycles of buildings. After studying architecture at Cornell, he moved to Buffalo, New York—where a job in demolition introduced him to the visceral reality of the built environment constantly breaking down and rebuilding itself. That experience sparked a practice rooted in salvaged materials, forgotten objects, and the imaginative transformation of ordinary spaces. Maher’s work now spans sculptural installations, living environments, and his most ambitious project: The Assembly House, an evolving artwork housed inside a historic church that also serves as a training ground for the building arts. Part immersive artwork, part cultural attraction, part educational engine, The Assembly House teaches people to build while reconnecting them to the tactile, communal experience of craft. Through what he calls “architectural dream worlds,” Maher explores how memory, materials, and imagination reshape the way we understand the spaces we inhabit—and the role we play in building them. Special thanks to our sponsor, Wix Studio. @wixstudio is a platform built for all web creators to design, develop, and manage exceptional web projects at scale. Listen now to "The Living Architectural Dream Worlds of Dennis Maher" on your favorite podcast app 😍

With the Oscars right around the corner, we wanted to bring back our conversation with Oscar winner and costume designer Deborah L. Scott @debscottcostumes on Building Worlds with Character and Depth 🔥 And now she's an 🎉 Oscar nominee 🎉 once again for her spectacular work on the latest #avatar movie. 👏 Listen to Amy and Deborah dive into her fascinating story - how she grew up sewing doll clothes, puppets, and got swept up by the stories at the cinema. At 21, she went to work costuming show girls on the Vegas strip. Once in film, her adaptability, imagination, and resourcefulness carved a path that led to projects with Steven Spielberg and James Cameron, and onto sets of the biggest films of our time. Listen now on your favorite podcast app! 🎧 And stay tuned for a new episode next week!

If you watched @secretmallapartment , this conversation is for you! If you are interested in eploring what is art, want to learn more about the power of temporary art, or want a sneak peek into a wildly creative mind... then this conversation is also for you! Listen to the brilliant @tapeart co-creator @wrafwraf and @amydevers on your favorite podcast app or at link in bio!

NEW episode! 💫 Secret Mall Apartment’s Michael Townsend on Ephemeral Art with Enduring Impact Public artist Michael Townsend grew up in a military family that relocated often—at least ten times during his childhood. He learned early how to explore new locales and seek out new friends before moving on to the next temporary hometown. His final relocation was to study art at @risd1877 , when he chose Providence as home—and began quietly reshaping it. He founded the @tapeart movement in 1989 and built a thriving practice rooted in ephemeral public murals, deeply personal underground installations, and highly clandestine collaborations, including the now-legendary Secret Mall Apartment. For more than 30 years, he has created hundreds of temporary murals and collaborative public works around the world, including the 9/11 Hope Project and the invention of the BOOM! Projector. Now, with the success of the @secretmallapartment Secret Mall Apartment documentary on @netflix , it’s clear that he and his collaborators were deeply intentional about incubating that narrative until it was ready to be heard. Moving fluidly in and out of the shadows—showing up, making an impression, then dissolving underground only to emerge again—turns out Michael himself may be a work of ephemeral art. Special thanks to our sponsor, Wix Studio. @wixstudio is a platform built for all web creators to design, develop, and manage exceptional web projects at scale. Listen now to Michael and @amydevers on your favorite podcast app!

Did you miss @thestephanietinsley on Clever a few months ago? If so, go listen now! After listening to this episode with Stephanie, you'll definitely want to binge the final episodes of Everything They Missed to hear the jaw-dropping finale! When her life collided with a high-profile murder trial, longtime true-crime devotee Stephanie Tinsley found an unexpected path into creative agency and advocacy. After a career in sales and private equity, everything shifted when her husband, attorney @the.mark.tinsley , was thrust into the spotlight during the Murdaugh murder trials. In this episode, she and Amy discuss the making of Everything They Missed, the inner resources she had to marshal to tell the story well, and why centering human dignity is her driving force in true-crime storytelling. Listen on your favorite podcast app to Stephanie and @amydevers ! Special thanks to our sponsor, Wix Studio. @wixstudio is a platform built for all web creators to design, develop, and manage exceptional web projects at scale.